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	<title>Dissuaded</title>
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		<title>GOOD FRIDAY?</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2008 06:43:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Greg MANSELL</dc:creator>
		
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	<category>GOOD FRIDAY?</category>
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		<description><![CDATA[Whenever the government of a country is confronted with a moral dilemma in the delivery of its services it automatically sets up a committee to investigate the shortcomings of its administration.  This approach has many admirable benefits to the government.  Firstly, it makes the government feel good that it is doing something to [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whenever the government of a country is confronted with a moral dilemma in the delivery of its services it automatically sets up a committee to investigate the shortcomings of its administration.  This approach has many admirable benefits to the government.  Firstly, it makes the government feel good that it is doing something to address the deficiency.  Secondly, it enables the government to effectively do nothing at all for they are waiting for the committee to arrive with its findings and when the findings do arrive they can always call a new inquiry.  Thirdly, and most importantly, it enables the government to assuage its guilt at its own neglect toward its citizenry without the need to repent of its past sins.<br />Christians do exactly the same thing.  Whenever they are confronted with their own shortcomings toward God they hold a festival.  They celebrate God&#39;s goodness.  This enables them to, firstly, feel good that they are doing something in addressing their own deficiency.  Secondly, it enables them to put off doing anything constructive about their failings.  Thirdly, and most importantly they are able to assuage their guilt while doing nothing at all towards God to repent of their past sins.  This is the beauty of the annual Easter ritual!<br />This deficiency is no more apparent than on this day which the Church has given the name Good Friday.  What exactly is good about it?  The name is reminiscent of the activity of the modern day spin doctors who try desperately to turn a negative into a positive.  It is surely a day of shame for the Church.  Year after year the same sinners present their unrepentant, unchanged hearts before God to offer up their praise at His mercy.  The death of the Lord is celebrated without an ounce of real sorrow in the collective heart of the Church.  If there was real sorrow the Church would be purer, more alive with the power of His love.  As it is, year by year nothing changes.</p>
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		<title>PART - 3</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Mar 2008 05:28:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Greg MANSELL</dc:creator>
		
	<category>Musings</category>
	<category>The Church and the Bible</category>
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		<description><![CDATA[One of the consequences of the Christian belief that the New Testament is sealed is that rather than God being closer to His people He has become more distant.  Jesus supposedly lay down His life to draw us infinitely deeper into the life of God.  After the resurrection He tells the woman, Mary [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong><br /></strong>One of the consequences of the Christian belief that the New Testament is sealed is that rather than God being closer to His people He has become more distant.  Jesus supposedly lay down His life to draw us infinitely deeper into the life of God.  After the resurrection He tells the woman, Mary Magdalene, at the tomb &ldquo;&#8230;go to My brothers and say to them I ascend to My Father and your Father, and My God and your God&rdquo;.  If we are called into this intimate relationship where we are no longer slaves but friends, brothers of the Lord, sharing in common a Father and a God, then our words should be constantly alive and relevant, and rather than being sealed up in a book, words bearing life should still be flowing from our lips.<br />Under the Law God&#39;s people knew of His love and grace because through the generations He sent His prophets, spokesmen, to correct them, whose words were His words and to be respected and obeyed.  But in sealing up scripture the Church has put a distance between itself and God.  The Church has acted in much the same way as the people in the time of Moses acted when they were so terrified by their encounter with God, when He appeared with fire on the mountain to deliver the ten commandments, that they declared to Moses, &ldquo;Speak to us yourself and we will listen; but let not God speak to us lest we die.&rdquo;  We are told that &ldquo;&#8230; the people stood at a distance, while Moses approached the thick cloud where God was&rdquo;.  The Church too has acted in this way keeping a &#39;respectful&#39; distance, a very long way down the mountain, from the Lord.<br />The curious effect of this distancing itself from God has created within the Church the art of theological posturing.  Because the Church believes that they are children of God, because in there understanding the scripture says that they are, they create for themselves an intellectual illusion of their relationship with God, without ever becoming what they proclaim themselves to be.  It is therefore possible for Christians to declare that they are saved, and washed in the blood, and children of God, while still declaring their absolute enslavement to sin.  &ldquo;None of us are perfect&rdquo; they declare, &ldquo;God doesn&#39;t see me when He looks at me, but rather he sees Jesus&rdquo;.  These and similarly juvenile utterances are what I call &#39;God wearing rose coloured glasses&#39;  theology and speaking such nonsense is part of the reason that the Church is held, quite rightly, in derision by the unbeliever.<br />It is a strange fact that those born under the Law had more expectation of a word from God than those who are supposedly born under grace!  It is also surprising that those who believe that they are living under a New Covenant have less expectation of a revelation from God than those who lived under the Old Covenant.  So because Paul writes that the Law, though good, resulted in death for those who stumbled in it, that must mean that Christians, who supposedly live according to grace but stumble in the same way as those who live under Law, have to be in a worse state.  For if neither the Law nor love poured out through the Spirit can transform us what way is there left for us to keep the commands of God?</p>
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		<title>Faith   -  A Beginning</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 11:32:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Greg MANSELL</dc:creator>
		
	<category>Musings</category>
	<category>Faith   -  A Beginning</category>
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		<description><![CDATA[Foreword
My use of the word faith in this essay is strictly in the sense of faith in God and not in the wider sense that I have used it in other essays on this site.&#160;
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Faith - A Beginning 
I once lived without faith.&#160; Alone in the world without knowledge of God I walked according to [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="msonormal"><u>Foreword</u></p>
<p class="msonormal">My use of the word faith in this essay is strictly in the sense of faith in God and not in the wider sense that I have used it in other essays on this site.&nbsp;</p>
<p class="msonormal">&nbsp;</p>
<p class="msonormal"><u>Faith - A Beginning</u> </p>
<p class="msonormal">I once lived without faith.&nbsp; Alone in the world without knowledge of God I walked according to the course of this world, confident in the authority of my own reason.&nbsp; But I stumbled.</p>
<p class="msonormal">I was given the opportunity to gain faith through the things that I suffered.&nbsp; When my confident assertion that my reason was supreme was challenged, when I had to acknowledge that through the use of my reason I had steered my life into a dead end, and when I knew with certainty that my on my own I could not extricate myself from the entangled consequences of my own actions, I was, at last, prepared to cry out for help.&nbsp; But where?</p>
<p class="msonormal">Faith, when it eventually arrived, came like a thunderbolt.&nbsp; I did not find faith on the street corner, although I had looked.&nbsp; I had heard a myriad of voices all proclaiming that they had found the answer to the riddle of their lives, but nothing that they spoke touched the centre of my being, so I walked on.&nbsp; I had heard the timbrel bells of saffron-robed devotees as they chanted hopefully for ecstasy and enlightenment: I had heard the peal of church bells heralding from their lofty spires the sounds of centuries of confusion: I had walked the lonely streets and looked in nooks and crannies, but all my searching and inquiring brought me lower still, for all seemed vanity and hopelessness.&nbsp; So faith when it came was an unexpected surprise.</p>
<p class="msonormal">Faith did not come as a flash of illumination to intuitively reveal the meaning of life.&nbsp; Nor did it come from listening to the professionally pious preaching sonorous sermons proclaiming the theological platitudes that steered their lives.&nbsp; Neither did it come from my wishing to emulate the politically savvy, socially compassionate new breed of clergy the media focuses on.&nbsp; No, when faith came, it came from the most unexpected quarter imaginable &ndash; God Himself.&nbsp; By one word of His mouth all of my years of doubt, unbelief, scorn and derision were swept away.&nbsp; Every tenet that I had based my life upon was blown away like chaff before the power of His breath, and I was revealed as naked, powerless and blind before His glorious life.&nbsp; My old life ended when I met Him who is life.</p>
<p class="msonormal">&nbsp;</p>
<p style="border: medium none ; padding: 0cm" class="msonormal">&nbsp;</p>
<p class="msonormal">&nbsp;</p>
<p class="msonormal">&nbsp;</p>
<p class="msonormal">It had been a long cold road that had led me to that moment when God revealed Himself to me.&nbsp; I began life as a captive, an unwilling conscript in the Church Universal.&nbsp; From an early age I had been instructed in the doctrinal orthodoxy that was the cornerstone of one particular faction of the Christian empire.&nbsp; I was press-ganged and indoctrinated that I would be fully equipped to answer every question to defend my &ldquo;unquestioning faith&rdquo;, without ever knowing what real faith was.&nbsp; It was something of a shattering blow to discover that there were other so-called Christians who believed in totally different things, regarding faith, to those that I had been taught were true.</p>
<p class="msonormal">My &ldquo;faith&rdquo;, piece by piece, was thus eroded.&nbsp; No one with love and wisdom stood before me to arrest its inevitable decline.&nbsp; I remember, as a youth, scanning the Christian landscape in search of some voice, some rock-like figure of love, some beacon of truth who could fan the dying embers of my feeble light.&nbsp; But the Church seemed more looked Babel, a confusion of tongues, than a source of light.</p>
<p class="msonormal">Disappointed and forlorn, embittered by the arrogant, loveless, authoritarian monolith that masqueraded as the keeper of truth and wisdom, I, like most of my generation, turned my back on Christianity and the Church.</p>
<p class="msonormal">Armed with the barest of hope, like a penlight in a sea of darkness, I went in search of truth.&nbsp; I joined what seemed like a throng investigating other religions, looking for God in such things as Cosmic consciousness, I-Ching and Tarot walking the streets of the inner cities with our noses to the ground and our ears to the wind.</p>
<p class="msonormal">There was a camaraderie amongst this movement of dreamers.&nbsp; New hopes, new horizons, the &ldquo;Age of Aquarius&rdquo;, peace, love and understanding was the message that filled our hearts and put stardust into our eyes.&nbsp; The &ldquo;times were a-changing&rdquo;; it was a new generation, a new perspective, a new beginning.</p>
<p class="msonormal">But, like my Christianity before, this new hope slowly died.&nbsp; The euphoria of youthful hope gave way to despair as my dreams collided with an unchanging world.&nbsp; The reality of the uncaring face of the world, the chains of debt and mortgage commitments that shackled me to my career, relationships that had not weathered the initial blush of youth, and the ephemeral nature of the new age cults, left my heart burdened under the weight.</p>
<p class="msonormal">Truth seemed like some elusive El Dorado.&nbsp; The only thing that seemed certain was the search &ndash; and that could end at any moment, for who could say when death would overtake me?</p>
<p class="msonormal">Slowly but surely, due to the grind, the length of the road, the unanswered questions, the madness of my life that mirrored the madness of the world (with its insane rush for material power and who knows what else), I failed.&nbsp; I failed to keep hoping in my ability to make sense out of life, and I faltered.&nbsp; I floundered in the flood that constantly sweeps the world along the path of who knows where we are headed.&nbsp; And I longed desperately for an end to all my striving to nowhere.</p>
<p class="msonormal">I lost heart I lost hope!&nbsp; A lifetime of living amongst men had taught me that no one really cared for his fellow man.&nbsp; I, literally, could no longer stand the pain of my spiritual emptiness.&nbsp; I had grown numb in the emotional void I found myself in.&nbsp; Life became robotic; I went through the motions but less and less could I connect to the flow of life all around me.</p>
<p class="msonormal">Finally, when I could see no way of escape, when I was parched to the centre of my being in my need for love and truth, I heard God speak.&nbsp; On my way home from work, meditating, as I drove along, on the words of a poem I had just written which began,</p>
<p class="msonormal">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &ldquo;Am I these things</p>
<p class="msonormal">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; These senseless things</p>
<p class="msonormal">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; These things I think I am,</p>
<p class="msonormal">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;a voice shattered my reverie and said, &ldquo;<strong>I am the word of God</strong>&rdquo;. Nothing more was spoken, but in the speaking I had the feeling that He would speak again.&nbsp;  </p>
<p class="msonormal">The impact that this event had upon me was so profound I can barely begin to describe it; the very ground that I stood on, the foundation of my entire understanding of life, was undermined by His voice.&nbsp; In His speaking I knew that I had built my life upon a lie.&nbsp; Everything that I had thought about life, assumed about existence, believed as truth, collapsed and I was left in a void, unable to continue my life as I was, but also not knowing what to make of my life from this point on.&nbsp; I was literally left in fear and trembling, agonising over what to do next.&nbsp; Whereas before I was at the end of my tether, now even that fragile state was shattered, such was the magnitude of His effect upon me.</p>
<p class="msonormal">It was not until some time later, several weeks, that I really cried out with all of my strength saying, &ldquo;Lord, I do not know what You want me to do with my life, but all I do know is that, whatever it is, that is all that I wish to do&rdquo;.&nbsp; When I had done this, and meant every word of it, He began to lead me and I began to hear his voice again.&nbsp; Perhaps not in the same dramatic way as when He first spoke when I was driving in the car but in a thousand other ways and instances He has shown me His love and care and guidance and He has truly become God to me.&nbsp; The more I have trusted Him the more I have learnt of His faithfulness and the immensity of His love.</p>
<p class="msonormal">Since the dramatic beginning of my faith, over twenty years ago, I have come to know the risen Christ in a way I had once thought impossible.&nbsp; I have also come to understand that the church, the source of all my disillusionment, remains unchanged, holding to a form of religion that denies the need to actually meet with God and come to know what is the reality of the awesome power of His presence and the fullness of His love.&nbsp; This lack within the church remains my deepest sorrow.</p>
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		<title>A Christian Tale</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 11:22:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Greg MANSELL</dc:creator>
		
	<category>Musings</category>
	<category>A Christian Tale</category>
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		<description><![CDATA[Once upon a time in history (and what is history but a tale of travail and woe) a man lived (or at least he assumed that he did).  Night followed day and unfortunately the night mostly won.  And he was alone.  It wasn&#8217;t that he was separated from people but rather that [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Once upon a time in history (and what is history but a tale of travail and woe) a man lived (or at least he assumed that he did).  Night followed day and unfortunately the night mostly won.  And he was alone.  It wasn&rsquo;t that he was separated from people but rather that he knew that there was a part of himself, the deepest part, that knew its aloneness.</p>
<p>And he looked.  He searched the world that presented itself to him for an answer to the riddle and an end to the ache that plagued his life.  But he saw no one, no one who he could believe or trust.  The wisest were fools, as foolish as himself.  He read books, all manner of the thoughts of men.  Sometimes he agreed, sometimes he didn&rsquo;t, but all the time, no matter whom he saw or what he read, whether he agreed or not, he felt alone.  He may have felt that he was not alone in his aloneness, that there was a comradeship, if you like, in being alone together, but nothing took away the ache, and nothing answered the riddle that filled his soul.</p>
<p>It wasn&rsquo;t that that he didn&rsquo;t have fun, or didn&rsquo;t in any way enjoy life, for he did, but rather that he knew that nothing really freed him from his deepest need.  So inspite of all the wonderful things in the world, the sights and sounds, the beauty, the awe, the friends, at heart he was sad.  In this sadness, which he could not share with anyone, he wrote.  He wrote the song of his life, his aches, his sadness, the passing of things, the end of beauty, the darkness of this world so desperately in need of light.  And he groaned like a moon struck dove in search of land, and he flew alone.</p>
<p>He shared his songs and poems with family and friends, but he knew in his heart he had nothing to bring, nothing to say that was either helpful or hadn&rsquo;t been said somewhere before, and he thought &ldquo;I need to live longer, then perhaps I might bring something of beauty or wisdom or truth that others might sing by&rdquo;.  But the longer he lived the more he knew that it was hopeless; and the reason it was hopeless was that he still ached in the loneliness of his deepest being.  In fact the more he lived, the more he ached with the futility of all that he lived; and when he looked around him he ached with the futility in which all men lived.  So the longer he lived the more he ached with the nothingness of what to say or sing.  And he ached alone.</p>
<p>Finally when he had reached the end of his tether, when at last he knew he did not know how to resolve the riddle that plagued his life, when finally he knew more than anything else, more than life itself, that he had to know why his heart ached &ndash; a voice spoke, a light illumined his darkness, a mystery was revealed.  This unexpected intrusion into his life was overwhelming.  All that had passed before toppled like a house of cards.  His years of darkness, his anguish, his pain, his entire life shattered and the jagged pieces lay all around.  He was like a mute, like a man in a trance, he was stunned, he walked as if in a dream.  He didn&rsquo;t know whether to laugh or cry, where to begin or who to turn to, until he fell like a dead man into the everlasting arms.</p>
<p>He couldn&rsquo;t begin to explain his hurt or confusion.  He couldn&rsquo;t begin to tell the depths of his shame, or the overwhelming joy at his change of fortune.  He had begun a journey, a path of discovery to a new life.  It was the beginning of a slow and often painful journey, a resurrection of his life from nothingness and dust.  It was an ending of his life of loneliness, for he had come face to face with God.</p>
<p>He began to change.  He cried tears, he felt his hope restored, his life renewed.  Piece by piece he felt the veil removed that had blinded and hidden him from truth.  He began to sing again, and, bit by bit, his life became more joyfully radiant than he had ever hoped or sought.  He felt an overflowing joy that could not be expressed and he began to write again.  He wrote with a new purpose, no longer did he feel constrained with feelings that he had nothing to say.  Now he felt that he had to speak, for he could not contain his joy or his desire that all men might share with him this mystery he had found.</p>
<p>He went to his family and friends and they listened politely to him. They couldn&rsquo;t help but notice the changes that had been wrought in him, but they could not grasp the significance of the event he was describing.  He tried every way he knew how to explain both the import and the reality of his experience and what it meant for them all, but they were unmoved.  Finally he knew he could do no more, so he walked on, alone, sad, but no longer alone in his aloneness.</p>
<p>He looked around and wondered if there was anyone else whom he could share his joy with.  He looked and noticed that there were groups of people sitting in numerous buildings saying that they too had met with God.  So he went amongst them.  The first group he went to would not even let him finish his story, they rudely dismissed him saying, &ldquo;God doesn&rsquo;t speak like that to people today, be off with you!&rdquo;  The next group of people listened and said to him, &ldquo;That&rsquo;s all very interesting but are you a premillennialist or not?&rdquo;  So he went from group to group, growing sadder and more confused.  One group said, &ldquo;Get yourself baptised!&rdquo; another group said, &ldquo;Do you speak in tongues!&rdquo; someone else handed me a bible: another said, &ldquo;You must believe in this confession!&rdquo; still another said, &ldquo;Ah yes, but are you saved!&rdquo;  Bewildered, all he wanted to do was shout, &ldquo;I was sick but now I&rsquo;m healed, I was blind but now I see, I was lost but now I&rsquo;m found!&rdquo;  But they were all so busy believing, whatever it was that their particular group was believing, that they were unable to hear the depth of the wonder of what he was saying, to really share his joy with him.  Nobody really wanted to meet the Friend he had found.</p>
<p>So he wandered on his own, a wiser man, with his words like goads looking for a heart to steer, a soul to cheer, and he shook his head with wonder that whether he was empty or filled to overflowing, he seemed destined to walk alone.</p>
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		<title>Easter 1983</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Feb 2008 03:32:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Day after day I&#8217;ll follow YouWounded by the love that flows from YouFull of wonder at the agonyLove suffered to set me free.
Oh what shame, what pain You washed awayWhat wonder and what Joy You bring todayThe body of Your love shows no decayFor in power You have risen today.
And where, oh where are we [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Day after day I&rsquo;ll follow You<br />Wounded by the love that flows from You<br />Full of wonder at the agony<br />Love suffered to set me free.</p>
<p>Oh what shame, what pain You washed away<br />What wonder and what Joy You bring today<br />The body of Your love shows no decay<br />For in power You have risen today.</p>
<p>And where, oh where are we in 1983<br />Watching an image of Your life on colour T.V.<br />Are we so lost, so blind, we just can&rsquo;t see<br />Preferring darkness to the light that sets us free.</p>
<p>Oh Jesus how much longer will we celebrate<br />When will you in your wrath say &ldquo;It&rsquo;s too late&rdquo;<br />To my brothers at the foot of Mount Sinai<br />Still worshiping the Golden Calf.</p>
<p>Move our souls, our bodies through Your Spirit Lord<br />Open our mouths that we might preach Your word<br />Full with the love that flows from You<br />To lead lost souls to Calvary</p>
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		<title>My heart gives thanks for the morning</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Feb 2008 03:22:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My heart gives thanks for the morningFar brighter than the sun of any dayThe brightness of Your love forever shiningGiving substance to the unseen footsteps of Your way.
Your eyes beheld me and filled with heartfelt pityYou drew me to Yourself in love&#39;s deep songDelighting me with signs and wondersLoosening my tongue to praise Your name.
I [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My heart gives thanks for the morning<br />Far brighter than the sun of any day<br />The brightness of Your love forever shining<br />Giving substance to the unseen footsteps of Your way.</p>
<p>Your eyes beheld me and filled with heartfelt pity<br />You drew me to Yourself in love&#39;s deep song<br />Delighting me with signs and wonders<br />Loosening my tongue to praise Your name.</p>
<p>I sing with eyes filled to overflowing<br />Of the glory of Your love poured out each day<br />To sing with heart felt wonder<br />That You love and keep me in Your way.</p>
<p>I am nothing, but Your love creates in me all praise<br />As You reveal in me the fire of Your everlasting passion<br />The life of joy You live forever with the Father<br />You open up and share it all with me.</p>
<p>I cannot fully take in all the depths of such beauty<br />Or adequately proclaim in words this heartfelt song<br />My stammering tongue is truly silenced<br />In the dazzling presence of Yourself</p>
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		<title>Thoughts on thought</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2007 03:41:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In the quiet gathering in of nightI thought.In between the waves of tirednessI dwelt upon the historyof ideasof human thoughtStretched out like effervescent wavesfading out of sight.All of themwith one tired sweepwould dissipate!Their going having scant impacton how I lived my life.
Now I knowA thousand voices in shrill choruswill eruptIn defense of human historyAnd the [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the quiet gathering in of night<br />I thought.<br />In between the waves of tiredness<br />I dwelt upon the history<br />of ideas<br />of human thought<br />Stretched out like effervescent waves<br />fading out of sight.<br />All of them<br />with one tired sweep<br />would dissipate!<br />Their going having scant impact<br />on how I lived my life.</p>
<p>Now I know<br />A thousand voices in shrill chorus<br />will erupt<br />In defense of human history<br />And the wealth of human thought.<br />And yes I know the very language<br />with which I labour to express<br />is honed upon experience<br />The fruits of conquests and distress.<br />And I can hear the arguments<br />That one can&#39;t help but be exposed<br />To the transmutating powers<br />of the fruits of modern life.<br />But think!</p>
<p>For one quiet hour<br />when all the world&#39;s asleep.<br />Alone with only silence<br />As your friend.<br />Today a fading memory<br />Tomorrow yet to run<br />Here I am alone<br />An empty room<br />This hour, For all I know<br />My last<br />What good has human wisdom brought?<br />Its influence is a memory<br />It brings no shred of warmth<br />Its logic doesn&#39;t fill the void<br />Its triumphs do not talk.<br />Here towards this mystery<br />With no one else I walk.</p>
<p>I stand alone!<br />Even though an orchestra<br />Of advice be in my thoughts<br />No one else can stand for me.<br />Not the wisdom of the ages<br />The past advice of sages<br />None of it can have much bearing<br />On the moment I am sharing<br />When life meets death<br />What wisdom thus expressed<br />Can stand in for me<br />To face this test?
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		<title>The Church and the Bible (Part 2)</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 11:23:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Greg MANSELL</dc:creator>
		
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		<description><![CDATA[The next thing I would add on the subject of Scripture is that every time Scripture is mentioned in the New Testament the writer is referring to the Old Testament. If the New Testament, as Scripture, was essential for salvation then no one in the early Church could have been saved!
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><font>The next thing I would add on the subject of Scripture is that every time Scripture is mentioned in the New Testament the writer is referring to the Old Testament. If the New Testament, as Scripture, was essential for salvation then no one in the early Church could have been saved!</font><br />
<p style="margin-bottom: 0cm" align="justify"><font>The absorption of the Church in the writings that have been labelled Scripture, and defined as being a closed book, has resulted in a Church rich in theology, argument and schism, but poor in spiritual authority and, more importantly, the love of God. Paul writing to the Corinthians had this to say, &ldquo;Are we beginning to commend ourselves again? Or do we need, as some, letters of commendation to you or from you? You are our letter, written in our hearts, known and read by all men; being manifested that you are a letter of Christ, ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone, but on tablets of hearts of flesh&rdquo;</font></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0cm" align="justify"><font>What Paul is knowing is that it is not knowledge of the recorded word that gives life but rather it is the real, life-giving knowledge of the living God. Paul is seeing in the lives of those gathering in the fledgling Church a fulfilment of God&rsquo;s words to Ezekiel, &ldquo;And I shall give them one heart and shall put a new spirit within them. And I shall take the heart of stone out of their flesh and give them a heart of flesh&rdquo;. And God doesn&rsquo;t stop there for He goes on to say, &ldquo;that they may walk in My statutes and keep My ordinances, and do them. Then they will be My people and I shall be their God.&rdquo;</font></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0cm" align="justify"><font>In other words it is not the scripture that should be held up as a record of God&rsquo;s works and His dealings with men, but rather it should be the Church itself bearing witness to the working of God within it. The Church in its claim that the perfect has come, in the guise of Scripture, sidesteps the truth that the perfect, if it has come, should be seen being made manifest in them. For it is not the Book they hold on to that gives them glory but whether or not God is being revealed in their midst. For if God was really with them then the Church would be a &lsquo;living book&rsquo; of the works and deeds of God, a &lsquo;living testament&rsquo; to the power of His glory and His saving acts of grace. As it is the Church argues over doctrine, is divided over issues of biblical interpretation, and declares salvation based on an understanding of Scripture rather than a life saving knowledge of God.</font></p>
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		<title>The Church and the Bible (Part 1)</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 11:20:47 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Greg MANSELL</dc:creator>
		
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The Church&#8217;s teaching that Scripture is now closed is wrong. When the 3rd Century Church met and decided which of their inherited writings were to be declared canonical and final, on what authority did they make this stand? Has God Himself declared it so? By making this claim the Church has pre-empted God and declared [...]]]></description>
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<p><font>The Church&rsquo;s teaching that Scripture is now closed is wrong. When the 3<sup>rd</sup> Century Church met and decided which of their inherited writings were to be declared canonical and final, on what authority did they make this stand? Has God Himself declared it so? By making this claim the Church has pre-empted God and declared it impossible that He might raise up for Himself a prophet to speak words of admonishment to the Church, a prophet whose words carried all of the authority that the Church has decided can only reside in the books which they have declared Canonical.</font></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0cm" align="justify"><font>The tradition of the Church that there are no further words that God will speak to it is a curious one indeed. This notion not only effectively silences God, if indeed He can ever be silenced, but also gives rise to the legitimisation of the persecution of His spokesmen. For if a man sent by God arrived to speak God&rsquo;s words to the Church, the Church would feel justified in declaring the man a fraud and an impostor. </font></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0cm" align="justify"><font>It was never the habit of the Jews to declare that their scripture was sealed. If God raised up a prophet, even if the prophet&rsquo;s words were ignored, the Jews eventually incorporated the words that the prophet had written or spoken into their sacred writings. For they recognized, even belatedly, that the prophet was from God and his words were important and true and worthy of respect. Unfortunately the words were honoured but the message was lost and this too is a deep problem in the Christian community.</font></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0cm" align="justify"><font>Not only do Christians hold in great honour the words they deem to be Scripture, but they do not live by these words and no longer understand what the words themselves mean. This should not surprise us for the Jews did not understand the words which Jesus spoke. In fact He spoke to them in parables &ldquo;lest they see with their eyes, understand with their heart and return and be saved&rdquo;. His words are often enigmatic and can only be understood by those &ldquo;to whom it has been given&rdquo;. It is this &ldquo;to whom it has been given&rdquo; which I wish now to investigate.</font></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0cm" align="justify"><font>After His resurrection Jesus explained to the travellers He met on the road to Emmaus all that the Scriptures revealed concerning the Christ. Even while their hearts burned within them, marvelling at the mystery which Jesus was revealing to them, they did not recognize who He was. It was only when Jesus gave them Communion, blessing the bread and giving it to them, that their eyes were opened.</font></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0cm" align="justify"><font>This surely has a deep message for Christians who believe that Scripture alone gives them all the insight they need to have faith, to be guided in their lives and to know all the things pertaining to salvation. The apostle Paul knew a thing or two concerning faith and said to the Corinthians, &ldquo;I determined to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ and Him crucified. And my message and my preaching were not in persuasive words of wisdom, but in demonstrations of the Spirit and of power, that your faith should not rest on the wisdom of man, but on the power of God&rdquo;. This leads me to say that Scripture is always secondary to the Spirit concerning our ability to have faith in God. </font></p>
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		<title>THE GOOD THAT I WOULD DO</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jun 2007 01:57:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Greg MANSELL</dc:creator>
		
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		<description><![CDATA[One of the most misunderstood scriptures in the New Testament is Romans chapter 7. It does not matter what brand of Christian you are talking to, if the subject of holiness arises and with it the commands to walk in the image of Christ, free from sin, the automatic retort is to fire off a [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><font>One of the most misunderstood scriptures in the New Testament is Romans chapter 7. It does not matter what brand of Christian you are talking to, if the subject of holiness arises and with it the commands to walk in the image of Christ, free from sin, the automatic retort is to fire off a few choice verses of Romans chapter 7. Poor old Paul, it seems, just couldn&#39;t help himself, &ldquo;The good that I wish, I do not do, but I commit the very evil that I do not wish&rdquo; and the church delights in his imagined frailty - to their collective ruin. For in this, as in much of their understanding of scripture, they fulfill Peter&#39;s statement concerning Paul, &ldquo;in his letters&#8230; are some things hard to understand, which the untaught and unstable distort as they do all the scriptures, to their own destruction.&rdquo;</font><br />
<p style="text-decoration: none"><font>From the church&#39;s understanding of scripture Paul is a tragic figure stumbling in all of his ways (just as they the church do), a hypocrite not living what he preached; but this is not what Paul is revealing in this chapter. As is so often the case, people take a text out of context to justify their own crooked walk. To get to the heart of what Paul is talking about we have to go back to the previous chapter. In Chapter 6 Paul says, &ldquo;Are we to continue in sin that grace may abound? May it never be! How shall we who died still live in it?&rdquo; Then he explains how we have been baptized into Christ&#39;s death that &ldquo;we too might walk in newness of life.&rdquo; For &ldquo;our old man was crucified with Him, that our body of sin might be destroyed, that we should no longer be slaves of sin&rdquo; Paul continues by saying, &ldquo;Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body that you should obey its lusts,&rdquo;&#8230; &ldquo;for sin shall not be master over you for you are not under law but under grace.&rdquo; From such a beginning it seems inconceivable that Paul is now saying, in the very next chapter, &ldquo;but hey don&#39;t worry about it, none of us are perfect!&rdquo; But this is exactly what the church believes that he is saying!</font></p>
<p style="text-decoration: none"><font>Why the confusion? Basically because the church believes theologically rather than spiritually. By this I mean the church&#39;s understanding of scripture is based upon a reading of scripture from an unregenerated mind. Now Paul says in Chapter 8, &ldquo;The mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God: for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so&rdquo;, and as the church admits that they themselves are unable to subject themselves to the law of God, so as to walk as those alive from the dead, but rather, that they must continue in sin until the day that they die, then in what sense, are they really Christian. To make matters worse they comfort themselves, in their disobedience, by claiming that Paul is admitting the same failing in himself.</font></p>
<p style="text-decoration: none"><font>Paul&#39;s argument in Chapter7 begins by comparing the freedom a wife has to remarry on the death of her husband, with our being freed from the Law through our death in Christ which leaves us free to be joined to another, namely the one who raised Christ from the dead. Now if it is impossible for a Christian to be free from sin, as the church teaches, then it is equally clear that they haven&#39;t really died with Christ to sin, and if they haven&#39;t died then they are not free from the Law and he who is bound to the Law is judged by the Law as scripture also teaches. That Paul says that a Christian does not sin is clear in verses 5&amp;6 of Chapter7, &ldquo;For while we were in the flesh, the sinful passions, which were aroused by the Law, were at work in the members of our body to bear fruit for death. But now we have been released from the Law, having died to that by which we were bound, so that we serve in newness of the Spirit and not in oldness of the letter.&rdquo;</font></p>
<p style="text-decoration: none"><font>The dilemma for the church has always been how do we square off the fact that we believe ourselves to be Christians and hence dead to sin, with the fact that apparently we cannot stop ourselves from sinning. That is where theology comes to their rescue. Theology is the cheats way into heaven, a door other than the cross, and the way through that door is to search the scriptures for intellectual loopholes to make you feel comfortable about your spiritual state by enabling yourself to believe that you are what you are not. Fortunately for them Paul&#39;s seeming admission that &ldquo;the good that I would do, I do not do&rdquo;, is just what they need to sit in their mediocrity. Unfortunately they stop others from entering the real door, the door to life, the cross of Christ.</font></p>
<p style="text-decoration: none"><font>When Paul says, &ldquo;For that which I am doing, I don&#39;t understand for I am not practicing what I would like to do, but I am doing the very thing that I hate&rdquo;, he cannot be speaking as a Christian. This is obvious for in the preceding verse he says, &ldquo;but I am of flesh, sold into bondage to sin&rdquo;, and this is a statement which cannot be uttered by a Christian who is no longer a slave to sin. So he is merely speaking this way as a literary device for the spelling out of an argument to those to whom in chapter 6 he has already said, &ldquo;I am speaking in human terms because of the weakness of your flesh.&rdquo;</font></p>
<p style="text-decoration: none"><font>Paul is seeking to help weak Christians come to terms with the power of indwelling sin, that they might take hold of the full freedom that is offered them as followers of Christ. So when Paul spells out how, if you are ashamed of your acts of sin, there must be at work within you two Laws, the Law of the sin in your members, and the Law of your mind which knows in its depths what is right, he is urging them to take to heart the reality of their spiritual state that they might accept the way out of their chains. So when he cries out in dramatic conclusion, &ldquo;Wretched man that I am! Who will set me free from the body of this death? Thanks be to God through Christ Jesus my Lord!&rdquo; He certainly is not confessing a pitiful hopelessness that he must be left for the rest of his mortal life in this shameless impasse. No he is rejoicing that he no longer has to live under Law, with its animal sacrifices that could not free him from the power of sin, but now he was receiving a deeper cleansing from dead works through his baptism into Christ&#39;s death.</font></p>
<p style="text-decoration: none"><font>To get a deeper appreciation of the hopelessness Paul must have felt under Law we should look at his life prior to and including his conversion. Paul tells us that he was a Pharisee of the Pharisees, zealous beyond all of his friends. So determined was he to serve God and please Him that he pursued Christians with such a zeal that his name was feared among the early church. So the good that Paul wanted to do, above all else, was to keep the Law, and yet, in spite of a zeal that would put today&#39;s Christians to shame, he failed. &ldquo;The good that I would do, I do not do; but I commit the very evil I do not wish&rdquo;. This must have been what he felt to the wretched core of his being after the Lord shattered him on the road to Damascus. For in his heart he concurred that the Law was good, but in his members he served the law of sin, dragging off Christians in chains. &ldquo;Who can save me from the body of this death?&nbsp; Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord!&rdquo;</font></p>
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